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suburb
Posts: 8
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:35 pm

New Score System

Post by suburb » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:17 am

The way how score is calculated now should be changed since rank 1/2 gives more than 1/120 (yes, it does).
So I suggest a new formula made by me which is based on how many players attended the map divided by your rank. But if it would be like that, more records would mean = more score, so I modified it a bit. It would look like this:

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(there are only 4 maps included, was too lazy to write in more)

p = players attended on map
r = your rank on map
a = amount of total records set
k = 1200


and here a random example (a player with four records):

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Diman
Posts: 38
Joined: Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:22 am

Re: New Score System

Post by Diman » Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:51 am

Actually, you will never go less than 1200 points, so I think you can substract these 1200 because your score will not depend on the score of the others. :lol:
Would be good if Stealth calculated the scores with this system just like he did here to give us a first look.

stealth
Posts: 140
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:02 pm

Re: New Score System

Post by stealth » Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:42 pm

It's too much work to do it now. The website is different and uses ajax requests I think so scrapping data would be more time consuming. Unless you can find a way to get a players page to show all records. (atm limit is 100 records per page)

I can't use the data I got last time since it's different webpages.

I would like to see the results, but I don't want to invest that much of my own time on it.

Diman
Posts: 38
Joined: Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:22 am

Re: New Score System

Post by Diman » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:30 pm

Completed some calculations, but only my and suburb's ranks.
Suburb: 1270.85...
Diman: 1271.16...
The competition in general will happen in digits after comma (because of square roots), so I suggest to substract 1200 and multiply by 10, so we get:
Suburb: 708.54...
Diman: 711.57...

nico
Site Admin
Posts: 167
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Re: New Score System

Post by nico » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:51 pm

Thanks Suburb for your post.
I took a snapshot of data from the website of 1st march and did some calculations.

Here is a calculation of AP scores based on Suburb's formula.

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lost                 1221.845062
bazinga              1227.902815
essi                 1228.469363
nightmare            1231.287415
vastie               1231.460737
hanibal              1231.669398
mr.sandman           1231.725972
mooze                1232.015342
advanc3d             1232.025042
>>>rambo.   1232.447759
m@ster               1232.636205
z&o              1232.739153
autist               1232.803595
madagasci            1232.859021
potilaasos           1232.986858
arkinder             1233.160490
freestyler           1233.215223
badboy               1233.240892
smellsfishy          1233.249209
lagy...:d            1233.396889
arneke               1233.537206
phyzic               1233.591823
kahvipapu            1233.618155
crazyfrog16          1233.661849
amethyst             1233.717094
rabowitz             1233.725641
eddo                 1233.737058
noth                 1233.754809
arma133              1233.775990
*mush?               1233.797773
ciamcia              1233.804025
legenddon            1233.830913
paladin              1233.845278
ryan                 1233.978513
paulycake            1233.997778
tromort              1234.003776
stalker.             1234.006374
dnbradio             1234.018480
rgman                1234.035355
boro                 1234.070407
smerf                1234.081834
hucka                1234.149858
book                 1234.172098
oyspeed              1234.181986
leterii              1234.207381
boody                1234.217654
paddo                1234.265115
exotica              1234.289092
zanc                 1234.297783
sabrewolf            1234.307846
$fbreak              1234.330996
zyga_:]              1234.345076
deadly               1234.364772
modu                 1234.384231
flex                 1234.388740
yave.                1234.388746
prada                1234.391712
meijer               1234.392383
calvin241            1234.393502
sprint               1234.395511
gaffaz               1234.412256
rokx                 1234.436745
szczepcio            1234.446097
n3rdje               1234.446529
frynox               1234.447149
toska                1234.452013
flame                1234.455242
slendu               1234.460138
razorpl              1234.461634
creativeee           1234.462907
arcticbear           1234.463450
s3ti                 1234.466632
ehamo                1234.469315
kwijl                1234.469571
expo                 1234.470388
craccio              1234.471585
holdtj               1234.473508
cufffs               1234.481849
unkutsyd             1234.486320
instye               1234.487116
shamuzka             1234.488661
joobz                1234.489194
fr0g                 1234.493514
kapot                1234.499026
legadema             1234.501131
xyel                 1234.505907
found                1234.524036
fritsie              1234.528012
pinf                 1234.528322
*luna*               1234.530404
s3boy                1234.530458
joey                 1234.533520
lock                 1234.534828
warpex               1234.538603
drakenjager          1234.544071
adeby                1234.546642
bendy                1234.549838
paddotje1            1234.550724
darkles              1234.551115
miura                1234.551748
999boob              1234.557064
no*name?             1234.557723
adam345              1234.558080
duact                1234.558928
mariobros6565        1234.559131
fujiii               1234.561138
aperitif             1234.562939
jacinator            1234.563427
asesex2.jpg          1234.565389
dydziekk             1234.565787
elitewesz            1234.567265
vyndem               1234.567370
fracziij             1234.571273
0o0o0o               1234.576878
spirit               1234.578060
olas                 1234.580830
duperrrr             1234.581668
iceqb                1234.582624
sora?hns             1234.584316
7r0j4n               1234.584540
ben.                 1234.584600
pudd                 1234.585002
kaarl                1234.586336
juissilo             1234.586908
bones                1234.587574
zzz                  1234.590595
radio                1234.591226
naked                1234.591584
bonkers              1234.593438
vikki.               1234.597401
nazaa                1234.598820
skoczek3000          1234.599785
ogmilo               1234.601040
salaatti             1234.601710
fun-nukeem           1234.602541
matej                1234.603991
pooned               1234.604832
dialer               1234.608452
bladinator           1234.609486
thunderr             1234.609743
clown                1234.611353
mazaboy              1234.612137
likwid               1234.612637
poseidon             1234.612844
veejay               1234.613422
ntz                  1234.613714
hemuu                1234.614231
weedy                1234.614372
legi                 1234.614569
tramalek             1234.616844
blue                 1234.616860
raivo                1234.617115
innion               1234.618085
yoshi                1234.620362
bull                 1234.621075
gungh0               1234.626508
fishxz               1234.626579
faarao               1234.626579
reddot               1234.626579
trickjayreal         1234.626579
zed                  1234.626811
fredy                1234.627324
rzr                  1234.627702
menno                1234.627865
neon                 1234.628067
pasmkel              1234.628067
aram                 1234.628439
k100                 1234.628439
fearlessmark         1234.628579
kane                 1234.628871
minisaudi            1234.628889
nero                 1234.630429
project              1234.631282
zero                 1234.632627
wut                  1234.633143
virg377              1234.634091
devjii               1234.635026
ziizuz               1234.635960
999lullaby           1234.640619
gifted               1234.641615
naiter               1234.660449
zay                  1234.669538
hazz                 1234.673494
.namdam              1234.690865
morda                1234.693870
venomious            1234.701570
scorp                1234.706067
vortex               1234.710582
inept                1234.731749
drama queen          1234.779428
themeijer            1234.791507
dies                 1234.823345
insaniity            1234.949335
god                  1234.968407
chasin               1235.020813
mirqli               1235.053910
scaffa               1235.058998
highway              1235.114463
pupup0x              1235.133322
arca                 1235.189470
run                  1235.262523
spectator            1235.457242
corvus               1235.641188
haru                 1235.695498
lol                  1236.024445
sinek9               1236.140810
hooksinu             1236.783462
anthony              1237.100754
raven                1237.136171
stuns                1237.370662
kreper1              1237.551748
freakje              1238.460311
shady                1238.518989
flexz??              1239.423994
gnou                 1240.377750
skyence.             1240.467660
range                1240.543313
mathi                1240.747651
darky                1242.727456
asdaa                1243.127513
leoo                 1243.233386
tmsk                 1244.239718
uglybunny            1244.863942
evo                  1244.983127
rena                 1247.867892
stealth              1249.604643
ajb*                 1250.089763
heheszki             1250.437828
nico                 1251.578404
**sykos              1252.508523
di3s                 1254.693746
timothy              1260.825772
f3mm3                1261.036715
fun-mrowl            1263.078291
outlaw               1268.293571
xdsander             1268.847170
revenge              1270.980992
diman                1271.138042
suburb               1271.398018
ninjadeer*           1276.387084
zad                  1277.778184
et_exit.             1286.630000
As Diman pointed out, most of the competition is done on digits, so here is another calculation with -1200 and * 10:

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lost                 218.450623
bazinga              279.028149
essi                 284.693629
nightmare            312.874151
vastie               314.607374
hanibal              316.693982
mr.sandman           317.259718
mooze                320.153419
advanc3d             320.250421
>>>rambo.   324.477587
m@ster               326.362053
z&o              327.391529
autist               328.035951
madagasci            328.590210
potilaasos           329.868580
arkinder             331.604899
freestyler           332.152228
badboy               332.408922
smellsfishy          332.492090
lagy...:d            333.968886
arneke               335.372062
phyzic               335.918232
kahvipapu            336.181553
crazyfrog16          336.618490
amethyst             337.170944
rabowitz             337.256412
eddo                 337.370581
noth                 337.548092
arma133              337.759904
*mush?               337.977729
ciamcia              338.040246
legenddon            338.309130
paladin              338.452780
ryan                 339.785126
paulycake            339.977778
tromort              340.037757
stalker.             340.063740
dnbradio             340.184795
rgman                340.353547
boro                 340.704068
smerf                340.818338
hucka                341.498578
book                 341.720983
oyspeed              341.819858
leterii              342.073807
boody                342.176538
paddo                342.651149
exotica              342.890925
zanc                 342.977827
sabrewolf            343.078457
$fbreak              343.309957
zyga_:]              343.450761
deadly               343.647716
modu                 343.842308
flex                 343.887405
yave.                343.887465
prada                343.917119
meijer               343.923833
calvin241            343.935022
sprint               343.955111
gaffaz               344.122563
rokx                 344.367447
szczepcio            344.460966
n3rdje               344.465288
frynox               344.471494
toska                344.520134
flame                344.552418
slendu               344.601381
razorpl              344.616338
creativeee           344.629074
arcticbear           344.634496
s3ti                 344.666322
ehamo                344.693147
kwijl                344.695707
expo                 344.703881
craccio              344.715848
holdtj               344.735079
cufffs               344.818488
unkutsyd             344.863197
instye               344.871159
shamuzka             344.886605
joobz                344.891938
fr0g                 344.935145
kapot                344.990257
legadema             345.011315
xyel                 345.059069
found                345.240361
fritsie              345.280119
pinf                 345.283217
*luna*               345.304043
s3boy                345.304583
joey                 345.335195
lock                 345.348277
warpex               345.386033
drakenjager          345.440714
adeby                345.466424
bendy                345.498382
paddotje1            345.507235
darkles              345.511146
miura                345.517481
999boob              345.570636
no*name?             345.577225
adam345              345.580802
duact                345.589284
mariobros6565        345.591310
fujiii               345.611380
aperitif             345.629391
jacinator            345.634268
asesex2.jpg          345.653890
dydziekk             345.657867
elitewesz            345.672645
vyndem               345.673704
fracziij             345.712729
0o0o0o               345.768785
spirit               345.780605
olas                 345.808304
duperrrr             345.816682
iceqb                345.826241
sora?hns             345.843165
7r0j4n               345.845396
ben.                 345.845995
pudd                 345.850018
kaarl                345.863356
juissilo             345.869077
bones                345.875741
zzz                  345.905954
radio                345.912260
naked                345.915844
bonkers              345.934382
vikki.               345.974014
nazaa                345.988199
skoczek3000          345.997849
ogmilo               346.010400
salaatti             346.017102
fun-nukeem           346.025413
matej                346.039911
pooned               346.048323
dialer               346.084519
bladinator           346.094859
thunderr             346.097427
clown                346.113529
mazaboy              346.121366
likwid               346.126371
poseidon             346.128441
veejay               346.134224
ntz                  346.137141
hemuu                346.142309
weedy                346.143722
legi                 346.145692
tramalek             346.168442
blue                 346.168603
raivo                346.171146
innion               346.180853
yoshi                346.203623
bull                 346.210745
gungh0               346.265079
fishxz               346.265794
faarao               346.265794
reddot               346.265794
trickjayreal         346.265794
zed                  346.268113
fredy                346.273238
rzr                  346.277016
menno                346.278647
neon                 346.280674
pasmkel              346.280674
aram                 346.284390
k100                 346.284390
fearlessmark         346.285791
kane                 346.288705
minisaudi            346.288893
nero                 346.304289
project              346.312819
zero                 346.326273
wut                  346.331425
virg377              346.340913
devjii               346.350261
ziizuz               346.359600
999lullaby           346.406187
gifted               346.416148
naiter               346.604487
zay                  346.695380
hazz                 346.734938
.namdam              346.908653
morda                346.938700
venomious            347.015697
scorp                347.060666
vortex               347.105817
inept                347.317486
drama queen          347.794284
themeijer            347.915075
dies                 348.233447
insaniity            349.493353
god                  349.684068
chasin               350.208126
mirqli               350.539095
scaffa               350.589983
highway              351.144632
pupup0x              351.333219
arca                 351.894699
run                  352.625235
spectator            354.572420
corvus               356.411875
haru                 356.954981
lol                  360.244447
sinek9               361.408101
hooksinu             367.834623
anthony              371.007542
raven                371.361709
stuns                373.706621
kreper1              375.517476
freakje              384.603112
shady                385.189891
flexz??              394.239945
gnou                 403.777503
skyence.             404.676605
range                405.433134
mathi                407.476506
darky                427.274560
asdaa                431.275127
leoo                 432.333865
tmsk                 442.397176
uglybunny            448.639424
evo                  449.831274
rena                 478.678916
stealth              496.046430
ajb*                 500.897633
heheszki             504.378284
nico                 515.784037
**sykos              525.085227
di3s                 546.937456
timothy              608.257718
f3mm3                610.367150
fun-mrowl            630.782915
outlaw               682.935708
xdsander             688.471702
revenge              709.809916
diman                711.380424
suburb               713.980182
ninjadeer*           763.870839
zad                  777.781837
et_exit.             866.300000
As a reference here are normal elo ranks with currently used algo:

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lost                 929.717088
bazinga              937.770265
vastie               1018.080518
hanibal              1030.020271
essi                 1056.956797
z&o              1057.959378
mr.sandman           1078.874573
potilaasos           1080.245213
smellsfishy          1082.933422
nightmare            1084.441764
madagasci            1085.917622
rgman                1088.113632
m@ster               1088.283430
amethyst             1091.699547
>>>rambo.   1092.426974
freestyler           1093.185305
arkinder             1093.927148
arneke               1094.065170
advanc3d             1096.397909
crazyfrog16          1097.335068
autist               1097.557299
badboy               1101.411696
ryan                 1105.083949
morda                1108.464248
hucka                1111.529850
phyzic               1112.825160
lagy...:d            1113.513065
paulycake            1115.049176
meijer               1118.447409
eddo                 1119.762179
paladin              1119.764255
kahvipapu            1122.253127
arma133              1125.113916
dnbradio             1126.529911
oyspeed              1127.966056
zanc                 1130.311161
rabowitz             1132.120440
fr0g                 1132.257020
zyga_:]              1134.592468
legenddon            1135.509158
ciamcia              1136.596624
paddo                1137.479820
$fbreak              1138.417675
boro                 1140.461303
exotica              1140.687064
calvin241            1142.366629
boody                1143.988484
noth                 1144.467621
prada                1145.258330
modu                 1145.531509
s3ti                 1147.577863
rokx                 1148.782268
sabrewolf            1149.120502
flame                1153.977745
stalker.             1155.260187
kwijl                1156.175980
flex                 1157.022037
leterii              1157.362089
scaffa               1158.390901
insaniity            1158.959142
cufffs               1158.990811
holdtj               1159.444724
gaffaz               1160.279849
frynox               1161.136712
book                 1161.741377
mariobros6565        1161.793037
deadly               1162.103054
slendu               1162.668409
tromort              1163.769650
*mush?               1165.271287
legadema             1167.022888
*luna*               1167.245369
sprint               1167.307219
razorpl              1167.474186
unkutsyd             1167.555969
mirqli               1167.883805
skyence.             1168.025656
smerf                1168.388804
drama queen          1169.176607
raven                1169.804014
instye               1170.233172
kapot                1170.880143
darkles              1171.330595
creativeee           1171.873097
xyel                 1172.433704
shamuzka             1173.041197
joobz                1173.436406
szczepcio            1173.666239
vortex               1173.760067
craccio              1174.039087
gungh0               1175.017488
s3boy                1175.538176
lock                 1177.188840
naiter               1177.394581
sora?hns             1178.452510
adam345              1178.591829
n3rdje               1178.808046
ehamo                1179.404174
spirit               1179.904887
toska                1179.905895
arcticbear           1180.062452
fritsie              1181.371399
7r0j4n               1181.433041
adeby                1181.469619
drakenjager          1182.283603
expo                 1182.582990
paddotje1            1182.815221
jacinator            1182.953078
vyndem               1183.445514
lol                  1183.460249
bonkers              1183.643157
elitewesz            1183.715058
yave.                1184.021523
warpex               1184.241893
fun-nukeem           1185.012069
found                1185.261509
kaarl                1185.465958
pinf                 1186.324276
asesex2.jpg          1186.327345
radio                1186.418803
fujiii               1186.515878
nazaa                1186.663683
aperitif             1187.017853
pudd                 1187.658095
bones                1188.029716
fracziij             1188.057777
ajb*                 1188.489943
poseidon             1188.497016
veejay               1188.691469
salaatti             1188.903312
thunderr             1189.034471
miura                1189.146475
no*name?             1189.506379
0o0o0o               1189.685611
bendy                1189.742667
zay                  1190.326125
naked                1190.648072
dydziekk             1191.322755
juissilo             1191.388880
joey                 1191.397226
ben.                 1191.649486
duact                1192.080922
inept                1192.714548
legi                 1192.922481
ogmilo               1193.192211
duperrrr             1193.237093
reddot               1193.243094
mazaboy              1193.244326
iceqb                1193.338550
zzz                  1193.557011
clown                1193.571244
vikki.               1193.797952
matej                1193.903509
yoshi                1194.058311
bladinator           1194.137991
pooned               1194.146589
olas                 1194.210959
999boob              1194.378306
fishxz               1195.142329
hemuu                1195.220578
dialer               1195.343200
fredy                1195.478661
raivo                1195.635339
corvus               1195.767870
zero                 1196.099236
ntz                  1196.174475
trickjayreal         1196.533504
neon                 1196.673453
tramalek             1196.681126
faarao               1196.795187
pasmkel              1196.799028
likwid               1196.828442
menno                1196.982126
skoczek3000          1197.119350
innion               1197.237988
ziizuz               1197.368116
wut                  1197.784616
nero                 1198.196868
k100                 1198.276993
venomious            1198.278768
aram                 1198.283248
kane                 1198.387992
bull                 1198.406239
zed                  1198.445515
minisaudi            1198.572234
weedy                1198.611977
rzr                  1198.752927
pupup0x              1198.841708
project              1198.936180
virg377              1199.144064
fearlessmark         1199.380397
devjii               1199.489983
wieju                1200.000000
fredd1               1200.000000
make                 1200.000000
straikie             1200.000000
katze                1200.000000
domi                 1200.000000
samsunny             1200.000000
apple                1200.000000
potilas              1200.000000
adrian77             1200.000000
mataa                1200.000000
hightimes            1200.000000
merlinator           1200.000000
chemik               1200.000000
pudi                 1200.000000
caspar               1200.000000
ironic               1200.000000
mystery312           1200.000000
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Re: New Score System

Post by Lolwat » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:50 pm

fuck yeah my score would go up

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Re: New Score System

Post by stealth » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:12 am

Poor lost.
I prefer the current system which takes into account who you beat, not just if you come first. Interesting topic though.

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Re: New Score System

Post by Diman » Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:51 am

stealth wrote:Poor lost.
I prefer the current system which takes into account who you beat, not just if you come first. Interesting topic though.
As I see it, you have to beat at least slightly more than half of records on a map to get your points growing (this (players/rank)^0.98 for each -2). I don't think that it will be too hard for pros to do this.

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Re: New Score System

Post by nico » Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:44 pm

I made some calculation with AP scores of 27 dec 2014, the spreadsheet is available here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
I tried to graph the data but I'm not really good at that, feel free to copy and improve it (it's read only but comments are enabled)
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Re: New Score System

Post by Diman » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:13 pm

The actual ELO rating graph and variation graph look alike. Same high score at the beginning, flat middle with the same 1200-ish score because of 1-10 account's tracked runs and low score with a lot of tracked runs.

I came with thoughts to put some weight over each PB a player has. Deleting by the number of the runs is obvious and linear so I suggest to have 1.75^n^(1/2.93605) - 0.75 and multiply the final score by 4. It starts with ~1 and grows up slowly eventually making further runs having less value. In ~2200 (the approximate number of all tracked runs) this function intersects with y=n.

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Would be interesting to take average speed per run into account (and, maybe jumps?) if it won't make calctualtions too complicated. :lol:

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